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JOB ADVICE FOR MY STUDENTS

As many of you know, I have been teaching college since 1988.  During that time, I have had the pleasure of meeting hundreds of students, all investing in themselves, all looking to find better work than they could otherwise have without their education.

I received my bachelor’s degree (Economics) in 1982, masters in economics and finance in 1987 and have been a working professional since 1984.  I have seen many changes in the work place over time.  I have been hesitant to pass along employment or job search advice, believing that what I had to say was already known by my students and telling them some job search tips would be boring or even insulting.

When the credit crisis was in full swing in 2008, I realized that what I knew, most students did not know concerning how they approached their education, how they would approach a job search while in school or after graduation.

Since the beginning of 2008, former students in record number contacted me, they knew I worked in banking, most took my classes, others did not but somehow found me, all were looking for work.  They asked if I could help them find a job.

Here are the things that kept them from being successful in finding work with or without a degree.  [This is not an all-inclusive list, it won’t answer every question, email me at mark@markrosa.com if I can be of further help.]

        1.  While working on your undergraduate (bachelor’s) degree, make every attempt to find work that compliments your major or what you eventually want to do.

a.       Between high school and college, a neighborhood friend of mine got me a summer job with him at an appliance repair store.  They needed warm bodies to help install air conditioners in all of the housing projects in the City of New Orleans.  A furniture or appliance store had sales on window units, sold them all over the City and contracted the installation work to local shops.  While the job paid reasonably well at the time, it did nothing for my college business studies.  A waste of time for me.  I should have worked as a teller in a bank.

b.      Those of you who are waiting tables and bartending – I would get out of those professions as quickly as humanly possible unless you want to run or own a bar or restaurant.  I completely understand that sometimes you simply need the money.  I did when I was installing the air conditioners.  There are better ways to make money while building your career.  Think that if you are doing something that may be fun at the time, your fellow students are not doing those things.  They will be further along than you when applying for real work.

        2.  Make use of your in-school contacts.  Your classmates may be working, and may know who is hiring and form contacts through those people.

        3.  Join a student organization that can bridge the gap between campus and professional organizations or employers.  I mentioned to my classes that the Finance & Economic Association (FEA) is one such organization.  It has attached to it, the Finance & Economics Advisory Council, comprised of business managers in the community, those are your contacts.

        4.  Use campus resources like a career development office for help in finding work or resume preparation.  Show your resume to a working professional, ideally someone who is responsible for hiring (corporate recruiter), ask them to critique your resume.

        5.  Definitely make use of the internship program through the University.  Internships, as I have known them, come in three forms:

a.       An internship is an arrangement through the University and your college department, for you to work in some capacity acceptable to the University, at an employer known to the University.  You enroll in a course, listed in the University catalogue and you will receive credit for the work that you do.  The school ensures that you are not simply making coffee, but are doing actual work at an acceptable place of business that wants to be part of the internship program.  UNO’s college of business has internship opportunities in just about each department.  Marketing Department demands each of their marketing majors perform at least one internship as a requirement to graduate.

b.      The internship can be paid or not paid.  I have always approached these at my company this way:  If the student is doing work for their course and the business is not benefitting by their work, it would be unpaid.  If they are doing work that benefits the business, I am all too eager to pay them.  Not everyone approaches these internships the same way.

        6.  Former students who have contacted me over the past year chose not to gain any work experience while in school.  After graduation, they found themselves competing with their former classmates that did have experience.  Those with experience AND education got the jobs over those with only education.

a.       Their solution to not getting a job was to go to graduate school.  Well, if they didn’t hire me with only a bachelor’s, a master’s degree must be the solution – they thought.  Wrong answer!  They made matters worse.  Now you have two degrees, no experience, a higher expectation for work, an expectation for more money and you know nothing about any industry that you approach, now what do you do?!?

b.      [Since I am in banking I tend to use banking examples.]  Those with degrees and no experience asked me for branch manager jobs.  They have no earthly idea how the branch runs, what their staff does, they know nothing about the products and services of the company and they want to run the branch – that’s why they do not get hired.

c.       One former student said that after graduation with her finance degree, she "applied with every bank in the City.  They would only offer me a teller job” she said.  Exactly, you should have been a teller while in school, learn  the operations of the branch, then she could have been a big girl and been offered a management position (perhaps an assistant branch manager) upon graduation.  She felt like a big girl with degree in hand, insulted when she did not get a management job 24-hours after graduation.

d.      Many industries in today’s economy are highly regulated – banking and financial services are some of them.  You need EXPERIENCE to understand the laws and rules, blending those with your course knowledge to form a management employee that is in demand.

        7.  GRADES:  If you go back far enough, it was impressive in its own right to be in college.  Your parents or grandparents may not have gone to college.  It was not expected “back then.”  Grades have been used as a selection mechanism since so many have turned to higher education, a degree is more of an expectation than a luxury.  An employer faced with 100 resumes can start to trim the pile by looking for experience and/or grades, selecting the best combination for the business.

a.       I have NEVER been asked for my grades, I have NEVER asked for someone’s grades.

b.      Your grades, while some employers will filter their hiring based on them, will rapidly dissolve once you are hired.

c.       I have seen too many former students, graduates with “great grades” get fired for not producing on the job.

d.      A loan officer, stock broker, insurance salesperson, retailer, will not be worth the paper that their transcript is written on if they can’t produce for the business.  Those are sales positions, granted.  However, the same goes for analysts, accountants, administrators and branch managers.

e.       I have seen it too many times, those who are in the business when part-time or in school, get the valuable face-time with other employees.  Once they graduate, they are already in the door.  Assuming that you are doing satisfactory work, your grades are taking a back seat.

f.       The ‘blind’ applicant is only a resume to the recruiter or human resource person.  You are an unknown quantity to the business no matter what your resume says.

        8.  CREDIT:  Especially if you want to work in financial services, your credit report is far, far more important than any transcript you will ever hope to have.  In banking, I can hire someone with a 2.0 GPA and decent credit.  I will NOT hire a 4.0 GPA and crappy credit.  With poor credit, you are viewed as (1) someone who is not financially responsible, (2) does not honor their own financial commitments and (3) is a security risk.

a.       Check your credit score as soon as you can and make every attempt to have as clean a credit report as possible.

b.      Credit scores are generally according to this scale:

                                                              i.      “A” Credit = scores from 680 to a high of 850.

                                                            ii.      “B” Credit = scores from 640 – 679

                                                          iii.      “C” Credit = scores from 600 – 639

                                                          iv.      “D” Credit = scores from 550 – 599

                                                            v.      “E” Credit is 549 and below.

c.       Again, I have seen many, many applicants come to an interview with (1) great grades, (2) great personal references and (3) great resumes, get turned down for work due to their credit.

        9.  GRADUATE SCHOOL:  Since I received my masters in 1987, the credential keeps on paying dividends.  “Back then” grad school was not as attended as it is now.  The last four professional positions that I applied for and was hired for, including the position that I currently hold, ALL asked if I had a master’s degree.  ALL were looking for that credential.  Now more than ever, tomorrow more than today, graduate school credit and graduate degrees will be in demand.  It is the new standard.

a.       If you hold or will hold a business undergraduate degree, the Masters Degree in Business Administration (MBA), may be the degree that you think of first, but not the one that you should think of.  Ideally, you should get a masters degree in the field of your undergraduate.  If you hold a bachelor’s degree in accounting, you should pursue a master’s in accounting.

b.      Look at the curriculum for an MBA, it is too repetitive to what you already learned.  You are not “mastering’ anything.  It remains the first reach for business students, most business schools will offer this advanced business degree before any others, it sells better.  The business world sees it as a “terminal” degree.  One that ends your academic pursuits (does not end your learning).

c.       UNO used to offer a master’s in economics with significant emphasis in finance.  Tough curriculum; this program was replaced by the PhD program currently in force.

d.      Any of you that wants a master’s in finance or economics, should filter into your undergraduate coursework at least six (better yet, nine) hours of calculus, three hours of linear algebra and maybe even calculus of several variables. 

                                                              i.      Story:  when registering for my very last semester in my undergraduate economics program, I told one of the faculty members of my interest in graduate school, in economics specifically.  Told him about the program at UNO and that I would be applying.  He congratulated me on wanting to enter grad school, wrote a letter of recommendation for me to enter.  He also asked how many calculus courses I completed.  None, I told him.  “No way,” he said.  “You will not last one class.”  I took a 5-hour calculus in my last semester of undergrad.  Got into the master’s program and within the first 15 minutes of the very first class, there were calculus problems in economics on the board.  The MBA students were flying out of the room, unless they had the preparation

e.       The MBA, I am convinced, was designed for other disciplines to earn business training.  You will find engineers and liberal arts graduates pursuing MBAs as the oil company may require the credential of their professionals to move into management positions.  Liberal arts graduates get an MBA to enhance their marketability.

f.       The degree or credential is fine to earn.  I and my company hires MBAs.  Ideally, master the subject that you pursued as an undergrad.

g.       THE PhD:  a whole other level of study and commitment.  Blisteringly difficult work, around the clock, year-round for about 50 to 60 credit hours after you have your masters.  Less than 1% of all of the students that I have met have even mentioned it.  If any of you want such a credential, first, think it through, then research the curriculum of the area of study that you want to immerse yourself in for the next several years, then contact me. J

        10.  A business that is hiring college graduates wants a CAREER-MINDED, WORKING PROFESSIONAL.  Much has been written about the balance between career, family and leisure time.  It is an individual decision.  Some people work a lot of hours, some would prefer to work less.  Understand that the level of dedication may positively correlate to one’s salary or promotions.  A business does NOT want:

a.       Someone that thinks “it’s over now that I have my degree” and wants to relax on the job.  You are now like a freshman in the working world, as you were a freshman in the college world at one time.  It is time to actually make the business (and yourself) money.

b.      Someone that wants to “squeeze a two hour day into eight.”

c.       (Ladies) that want a place to go between having kids.

 

 

I can brag about having as one of my former students, Investment Banker and Analyst, Don Crist.  Don and I met at UNO, he was coming back to school to finish his finance education after having worked for years in the oil industry.  Don wanted to be an analyst and investment banker.  He was certain of it, would not not stop until he reached his goal.  Working hard on his finance and economics courses, Don fulfilled his dream and was hired as an associate analyst after graduation.  The UNO student group, the Finance & Economic Association, a group that Don was a member of, asked him to speak at one of their meetings in the Fall semester, 2009.  Don left the following comments and advice for all that attended:    His jobs advice.

 

This article appeared on Yahoo News on December 9, 2009.  I thought it worth including on this page:

College Degrees More Expensive, Worth Less in Job Market

Employers and career experts see a growing problem in American society - an abundance of college graduates, many burdened with tuition-loan debt, heading into the work world with a degree that doesn't mean much anymore.


The problem isn't just a soft job market - it's an oversupply of graduates. In 1973, a bachelor's degree was more of a rarity, since just 47% of high school graduates went on to college. By October 2008, that number had risen to nearly 70%. For many Americans today, a trip through college is considered as much of a birthright as a driver's license.

Marty Nemko, a career and education expert who has taught at U.C. Berkeley's Graduate School of Education, contends that the overflow in degree holders is the result of many weaker students attending colleges when other options may have served them better. "There is tremendous pressure to push kids through," he says, adding that as a result, too many students who aren't skilled become degree holders, promoting a perception among employers that higher education doesn't work. "That piece of paper no longer means very much, and employers know that," says Nemko. "Everybody's got it, so it's watered down."

What's not watered down is the tab. The cost of average tuition rose 6.5% this fall, and a report released on Dec. 1 by the Project on Student Debt showed that the IOU is getting bigger. Two-thirds of all students now leave college with outstanding loans; the average amount of debt rose to $23,200 in 2008. In the last academic year, the total amount loaned to students increased about 18% from the previous year, to $81 billion, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate for recent grads rose as well. It is now 10.6%, a record high.

The devaluation of a college degree is no secret on campus. An annual survey by the Higher Education Research Institute has long asked freshmen what they think their highest academic degree will be. In 1972, 38% of respondents said a bachelor's degree, but in 2008 only 22% answered the same. The number of freshmen planning to get a master's degree rose from 31% in 1972 to 42% in 2008. Says John Pryor, the institute's director: "Years ago, the bachelor's degree was the key to getting better jobs. Now you really need more than that."

Employers stress that a basic degree remains essential, carefully tiptoeing around the idea that its value has plummeted. But they admit that the degree alone is not the ace it once was; now they emphasize work experience as a way to make yourself stand out. Dan Black, director of campus recruiting in the Americas for Ernst & Young, and his team will hire more than 4,000 people this year out of 20,000 applicants. There are a lot of things besides a degree "that will help differentiate how much attention you get," says the veteran hirer, who has been screening graduates for 15 years.

Enterprise Rent-A-Car hiring guru Marie Artim, who says her company will hire 8,000 of 20,000 applicants, has found that her applicant pool is changing. "While 10 years ago we may have had the same numbers, today we have higher-quality and better-qualified applicants," she says.

So what does it take to impress recruiters today? Daniel Pink, an author on motivation in the workplace, agrees that the bachelor's degree "is necessary, but it's just not sufficient," at times doing little more than verifying "that you can more or less show up on time and stick with it." The author of A Whole New Mind: Why Right Brainers Will Rule the Future says companies want more. They're looking for people who can do jobs that can't be outsourced, he says, and graduates who "don't require a lot of hand-holding." 

Left-brain abilities that used to guarantee jobs have become easy to automate, while right-brain abilities are harder to find - "design, seeing the big picture, connecting the dots," Pink says. He cites cognitive skills and self-direction as the types of things companies look for in job candidates. "People have to be able to do stuff that's hard to outsource," he says. "It used to be for blue collar; it's now for white collar too."

For now, graduates can steer their careers where job growth is strong - education, health care and nonprofit programs like Teach for America, says Trudy Steinfeld, a career counselor at New York University. "Every college degree is not cookie cutter. It's what you have done during that degree to distinguish yourself."