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JOB MARKET ADVICE FOR MY STUDENTS
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JOB ADVICE FOR MY STUDENTS
As many of you know, I have been teaching college since
1988. During that time, I have had the pleasure of meeting hundreds of
students, all investing in themselves, all looking to find better work than they
could otherwise have without their education.
I received my bachelor’s degree (Economics) in 1982,
masters in economics and finance in 1987 and have been a working professional
since 1984. I have seen many changes in the work place over time. I have been
hesitant to pass along employment or job search advice, believing that what I
had to say was already known by my students and telling them some job search
tips would be boring or even insulting.
When the credit crisis was in full swing in 2008, I
realized that what I knew, most students did not know concerning how they
approached their education, how they would approach a job search while in school
or after graduation.
Since the beginning of 2008, former students in record
number contacted me, they knew I worked in banking, most took my classes, others
did not but somehow found me, all were looking for work. They asked if I could
help them find a job.
Here are the things that kept them from being successful in
finding work with or without a degree. [This is not an all-inclusive list,
it won’t answer every question, email me at
mark@markrosa.com if I can be of further help.]
1. While working on your undergraduate (bachelor’s) degree, make every
attempt to find work that compliments your major or what you eventually want to
do.
a. Between
high school and college, a neighborhood friend of mine got me a summer job with
him at an appliance repair store. They needed warm bodies to help install air
conditioners in all of the housing projects in the City of New Orleans. A
furniture or appliance store had sales on window units, sold them all over the
City and contracted the installation work to local shops. While the job paid
reasonably well at the time, it did nothing for my college business studies. A
waste of time for me. I should have worked as a teller in a bank.
b. Those of you
who are waiting tables and bartending – I would get out of those professions as
quickly as humanly possible unless you want to run or own a bar or restaurant.
I completely understand that sometimes you simply need the money. I did when I
was installing the air conditioners. There are better ways to make money while
building your career. Think that if you are doing something that may be fun at
the time, your fellow students are not doing those things. They will be further
along than you when applying for real work.
2. Make use of your in-school contacts. Your classmates may be working, and
may know who is hiring and form contacts through those people.
3. Join a student organization that can bridge the gap between campus and
professional organizations or employers. I mentioned to my classes that the
Finance & Economic Association (FEA) is one such organization. It has attached
to it, the Finance & Economics Advisory Council, comprised of business managers
in the community, those are your contacts.
4. Use campus resources like a career development office for help in finding
work or resume preparation. Show your resume to a working professional, ideally
someone who is responsible for hiring (corporate recruiter), ask them to
critique your resume.
5. Definitely make use of the internship program through the University.
Internships, as I have known them, come in three forms:
a. An
internship is an arrangement through the University and your college department,
for you to work in some capacity acceptable to the University, at an employer
known to the University. You enroll in a course, listed in the University
catalogue and you will receive credit for the work that you do. The school
ensures that you are not simply making coffee, but are doing actual work at an
acceptable place of business that wants to be part of the internship program.
UNO’s college of business has internship opportunities in just about each
department. Marketing Department demands each of their marketing majors perform
at least one internship as a requirement to graduate.
b. The
internship can be paid or not paid. I have always approached these at my
company this way: If the student is doing work for their course and the
business is not benefitting by their work, it would be unpaid. If they are
doing work that benefits the business, I am all too eager to pay them. Not
everyone approaches these internships the same way.
6. Former students who have contacted me over the past year chose not to
gain any work experience while in school. After graduation, they found
themselves competing with their former classmates that did have experience.
Those with experience AND education got the jobs over those with only education.
a. Their
solution to not getting a job was to go to graduate school. Well, if they
didn’t hire me with only a bachelor’s, a master’s degree must be the solution –
they thought. Wrong answer! They made matters worse. Now you have two
degrees, no experience, a higher expectation for work, an expectation for more
money and you know nothing about any industry that you approach, now what do you
do?!?
b. [Since I am
in banking I tend to use banking examples.] Those with degrees and no
experience asked me for branch manager jobs. They have no earthly idea how the
branch runs, what their staff does, they know nothing about the products and
services of the company and they want to run the branch – that’s why they do not
get hired.
c. One former
student said that after graduation with her finance degree, she "applied with
every bank in the City. They would only offer me a teller job” she said.
Exactly, you should have been a teller while in school, learn the operations of
the branch, then she could have been a big girl and been offered a management
position (perhaps an assistant branch manager) upon graduation. She felt like a
big girl with degree in hand, insulted when she did not get a management job
24-hours after graduation.
d. Many
industries in today’s economy are highly regulated – banking and financial
services are some of them. You need EXPERIENCE to understand the laws and
rules, blending those with your course knowledge to form a management employee
that is in demand.
7. GRADES: If you go back far enough, it was impressive in its own right to
be in college. Your parents or grandparents may not have gone to college. It
was not expected “back then.” Grades have been used as a selection mechanism
since so many have turned to higher education, a degree is more of an
expectation than a luxury. An employer faced with 100 resumes can start to trim
the pile by looking for experience and/or grades, selecting the best combination
for the business.
a. I have
NEVER been asked for my grades, I have NEVER asked for someone’s grades.
b. Your grades,
while some employers will filter their hiring based on them, will rapidly
dissolve once you are hired.
c. I have seen
too many former students, graduates with “great grades” get fired for not
producing on the job.
d. A loan
officer, stock broker, insurance salesperson, retailer, will not be worth the
paper that their transcript is written on if they can’t produce for the
business. Those are sales positions, granted. However, the same goes for
analysts, accountants, administrators and branch managers.
e. I have seen
it too many times, those who are in the business when part-time or in school,
get the valuable face-time with other employees. Once they graduate, they are
already in the door. Assuming that you are doing satisfactory work, your grades
are taking a back seat.
f. The ‘blind’
applicant is only a resume to the recruiter or human resource person. You are
an unknown quantity to the business no matter what your resume says.
8. CREDIT: Especially if you want to work in financial services, your
credit report is far, far more important than any transcript you will ever hope
to have. In banking, I can hire someone with a 2.0 GPA and decent credit. I
will NOT hire a 4.0 GPA and crappy credit. With poor credit, you are viewed as
(1) someone who is not financially responsible, (2) does not honor their own
financial commitments and (3) is a security risk.
a. Check your
credit score as soon as you can and make every attempt to have as clean a credit
report as possible.
b. Credit
scores are generally according to this scale:
i.
“A” Credit = scores from 680 to a high of 850.
ii.
“B” Credit = scores from 640 – 679
iii.
“C” Credit = scores from 600 – 639
iv.
“D” Credit = scores from 550 – 599
v.
“E” Credit is 549 and below.
c. Again, I
have seen many, many applicants come to an interview with (1) great grades, (2)
great personal references and (3) great resumes, get turned down for work due to
their credit.
9. GRADUATE SCHOOL: Since I received my masters in 1987, the credential
keeps on paying dividends. “Back then” grad school was not as attended as it is
now. The last four professional positions that I applied for and was hired for,
including the position that I currently hold, ALL asked if I had a master’s
degree. ALL were looking for that credential. Now more than ever, tomorrow
more than today, graduate school credit and graduate degrees will be in demand.
It is the new standard.
a. If you hold
or will hold a business undergraduate degree, the Masters Degree in Business
Administration (MBA), may be the degree that you think of first, but not the one
that you should think of. Ideally, you should get a masters degree in the field
of your undergraduate. If you hold a bachelor’s degree in accounting, you
should pursue a master’s in accounting.
b. Look at the
curriculum for an MBA, it is too repetitive to what you already learned. You
are not “mastering’ anything. It remains the first reach for business students,
most business schools will offer this advanced business degree before any
others, it sells better. The business world sees it as a “terminal” degree.
One that ends your academic pursuits (does not end your learning).
c. UNO used to
offer a master’s in economics with significant emphasis in finance. Tough
curriculum; this program was replaced by the PhD program currently in force.
d. Any of you
that wants a master’s in finance or economics, should filter into your
undergraduate coursework at least six (better yet, nine) hours of calculus,
three hours of linear algebra and maybe even calculus of several variables.
i.
Story: when registering for my very last semester in my undergraduate
economics program, I told one of the faculty members of my interest in graduate
school, in economics specifically. Told him about the program at UNO and that I
would be applying. He congratulated me on wanting to enter grad school, wrote a
letter of recommendation for me to enter. He also asked how many calculus
courses I completed. None, I told him. “No way,” he said. “You will not last
one class.” I took a 5-hour calculus in my last semester of undergrad. Got
into the master’s program and within the first 15 minutes of the very first
class, there were calculus problems in economics on the board. The MBA students
were flying out of the room, unless they had the preparation
e. The MBA, I
am convinced, was designed for other disciplines to earn business training. You
will find engineers and liberal arts graduates pursuing MBAs as the oil company
may require the credential of their professionals to move into management
positions. Liberal arts graduates get an MBA to enhance their marketability.
f. The degree
or credential is fine to earn. I and my company hires MBAs. Ideally, master
the subject that you pursued as an undergrad.
g. THE PhD: a
whole other level of study and commitment. Blisteringly difficult work, around
the clock, year-round for about 50 to 60 credit hours after you have your
masters. Less than 1% of all of the students that I have met have even
mentioned it. If any of you want such a credential, first, think it through,
then research the curriculum of the area of study that you want to immerse
yourself in for the next several years, then contact me.
J
10. A business that is hiring college graduates wants a CAREER-MINDED,
WORKING PROFESSIONAL. Much has been written about the balance between career,
family and leisure time. It is an individual decision. Some people work a lot
of hours, some would prefer to work less. Understand that the level of
dedication may positively correlate to one’s salary or promotions. A business
does NOT want:
a. Someone
that thinks “it’s over now that I have my degree” and wants to relax on the
job. You are now like a freshman in the working world, as you were a freshman
in the college world at one time. It is time to actually make the business (and
yourself) money.
b. Someone that
wants to “squeeze a two hour day into eight.”
c. (Ladies)
that want a place to go between having kids.
I can brag about having as one of my former students, Investment Banker and
Analyst, Don Crist. Don and I met at UNO, he was coming back to school to
finish his finance education after having worked for years in the oil industry.
Don wanted to be an analyst and investment banker. He was certain of it,
would not not stop until he reached his goal. Working hard on his finance
and economics courses, Don fulfilled his dream and was hired as an associate
analyst after graduation. The UNO student group, the Finance & Economic
Association, a group that Don was a member of, asked him to speak at one of
their meetings in the Fall semester, 2009. Don left the following comments
and advice for all that attended:
His jobs advice.
This article appeared on Yahoo News on December 9, 2009. I thought it
worth including on this page:
College Degrees More Expensive,
Worth Less in Job Market
By KRISTI OLOFFSON
Kristi Oloffson –
Wed Dec 9, 4:20 am ET
Employers and career experts see a growing problem
in American society - an abundance of college
graduates, many burdened with tuition-loan debt,
heading into the work world with a degree that
doesn't mean much anymore.
The problem isn't just a soft job market - it's an
oversupply of graduates. In 1973, a bachelor's
degree was more of a rarity, since just 47% of
high school graduates went on to college. By
October 2008, that number had risen to nearly 70%.
For many Americans today, a trip through college is
considered as much of a birthright as a driver's
license.
Marty Nemko, a career and education expert who
has taught at U.C.
Berkeley's Graduate School of Education,
contends that the overflow in
degree holders is the result of many weaker
students attending colleges when other options may
have served them better. "There is tremendous
pressure to push kids through," he says, adding that
as a result, too many students who aren't skilled
become degree holders, promoting a perception among
employers that higher education doesn't work. "That
piece of paper no longer means very much, and
employers know that," says Nemko. "Everybody's got
it, so it's watered down."
What's not watered down is the tab. The cost of
average tuition rose 6.5% this fall, and a report
released on Dec. 1 by the Project on Student Debt
showed that the IOU is getting bigger. Two-thirds of
all students now leave college with outstanding
loans; the average amount of debt rose to $23,200 in
2008. In the last academic year, the total amount
loaned to students increased about 18% from the
previous year, to $81 billion, according to the
U.S.
Department of Education.
Meanwhile, the
unemployment rate for recent grads rose as
well. It is now 10.6%, a record high.
The devaluation of a
college degree is no secret on campus. An
annual survey by the
Higher
Education Research Institute has long asked
freshmen what they think their highest
academic degree will be. In 1972, 38% of
respondents said a bachelor's degree, but in 2008
only 22% answered the same. The number of freshmen
planning to get a master's degree rose from 31% in
1972 to 42% in 2008. Says John Pryor, the
institute's director: "Years ago, the bachelor's
degree was the key to getting better jobs. Now you
really need more than that."
Employers stress that a basic degree remains
essential, carefully tiptoeing around the idea that
its value has plummeted. But they admit that the
degree alone is not the ace it once was; now they
emphasize work experience as a way to make yourself
stand out. Dan Black, director of campus recruiting
in the Americas for Ernst & Young, and his team will
hire more than 4,000 people this year out of 20,000
applicants. There are a lot of things besides a
degree "that will help differentiate how much
attention you get," says the veteran hirer, who has
been screening graduates for 15 years.
Enterprise Rent-A-Car hiring guru Marie Artim,
who says her company will hire 8,000 of 20,000
applicants, has found that her applicant pool is
changing. "While 10 years ago we may have had the
same numbers, today we have higher-quality and
better-qualified applicants," she says.
So what does it take to impress recruiters today?
Daniel Pink, an author on motivation in the
workplace, agrees that the bachelor's degree "is
necessary, but it's just not sufficient," at times
doing little more than verifying "that you can more
or less show up on time and stick with it." The
author of
A
Whole New Mind: Why Right Brainers Will Rule
the Future says companies want more. They're
looking for people who can do jobs that can't be
outsourced, he says, and graduates who "don't
require a lot of hand-holding."
Left-brain abilities that used to guarantee jobs
have become easy to automate, while right-brain
abilities are harder to find - "design, seeing the
big picture, connecting the dots," Pink says. He
cites cognitive skills and self-direction as the
types of things companies look for in job
candidates. "People have to be able to do stuff
that's hard to outsource," he says. "It used to be
for blue collar; it's now for white collar too."
For now, graduates can steer their careers where
job growth is strong - education, health care and
nonprofit programs like Teach for America, says
Trudy Steinfeld, a
career counselor at
New York University. "Every
college degree is not cookie cutter. It's
what you have done during that degree to distinguish
yourself."
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